1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,500 Now I'm not here very long. 2 00:00:02,500 --> 00:00:05,900 What about if I went straight for trying to be a guru? 3 00:00:05,900 --> 00:00:07,300 Why? 4 00:00:07,300 --> 00:00:10,500 It just seems like it, you know, aimed for the top. 5 00:00:10,500 --> 00:00:11,400 Possible? 6 00:00:11,400 --> 00:00:12,700 Not today. 7 00:00:12,700 --> 00:00:14,500 Not for the next few days. 8 00:00:18,100 --> 00:00:19,300 But there's a chance. 9 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:32,760 δΈƒ, five, five, six. 10 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:54,000 India. Land of spirituality. 11 00:00:54,000 --> 00:01:03,000 I was following in the footsteps of the thousands of westerners who come east in search of enlightenment, 12 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:06,000 wondering if I too could find the meaning of life. 13 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:10,000 My first contact lives in Goa. 14 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:14,000 At one time he was a professor of psychology named Dr. Joseph E. Bidma. 15 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:20,000 Now he practices astrology and calls himself Deepak, and he offered to be my spiritual guide. 16 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:21,000 This is it. 17 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:25,000 This is it. We made it to Anjuna Flea Market, real famous. 18 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:29,000 You can buy everything here but your soul. 19 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:31,000 Actually it's my soul I'm interested in. 20 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:34,000 But let me ask you something, Larry. 21 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:37,000 Why do you want to get enlightened? Why are you even looking? 22 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:39,000 I suppose to be a good thing, isn't it? 23 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:42,000 For what? Good for what? It's not good for your bank account. 24 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:43,000 Isn't it? 25 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:46,000 No. Enlightenment is expensive. 26 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:49,000 You sacrifice all your material life for this. 27 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:53,000 Yeah. So what do people come into India for then? 28 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:56,000 Enlightenment. 29 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:58,000 But you need to know what it is you really want. 30 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:01,000 Why aren't you happy where you're at? 31 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:04,000 Yeah, I don't know. I don't know what I want. 32 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:05,000 Can you tell me? 33 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:07,000 Can I tell you what you want? 34 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:09,000 I wouldn't even if I knew. 35 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:12,000 Do you know? 36 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:14,000 No. 37 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:18,000 The trick is accepting but not wanting. 38 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:23,000 See, every seed has a feeling of the tree it will become. 39 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:27,000 And if you don't become that tree, you've never lived. 40 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:29,000 Come on. 41 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:37,000 If you had to identify the most important possessions you have, what would they be? 42 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:38,000 It would be the computer. 43 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:39,000 The computer? Why? 44 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:41,000 Because I need that to do my work. 45 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:42,000 Is this your TV set? 46 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:46,000 No, no, that came with the room and I hate to turn the thing on. 47 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:48,000 I've got books and papers. 48 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:50,000 Books, papers, underpants. 49 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:52,000 Underpants. That's it. 50 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:54,000 For a man of 57, it's not a lot of stuff. 51 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:56,000 It's not a two-garage house with wife, kids. 52 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:57,000 You know what I mean? 53 00:02:57,000 --> 00:02:58,000 I had that. 54 00:02:58,000 --> 00:02:59,000 And what happened? 55 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:01,000 It didn't make me happy. 56 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:02,000 Yeah. 57 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:04,000 And are you happy now? 58 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:06,000 I'm happier. I'm more alive. 59 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:11,000 The way I look at it, my life isn't by any means perfect, but I'm not in misery either. 60 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:13,000 I'm not having a nervous breakdown. 61 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:17,000 I wonder if there's not enough to motivate me to make the journey. 62 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:20,000 You got it. There's not enough to motivate you. 63 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:31,000 If you are halfway comfortable whatsoever, it is like pulling your feet out of mud to leave that situation and try this situation. 64 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:32,000 Why should you try? 65 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:33,000 Yeah, why should I try? 66 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:34,000 Why should you try? 67 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:35,000 Why should I try? 68 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:37,000 There's no reason. 69 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:38,000 There's no reason. 70 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:41,000 I fully recommend that you do not try. 71 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:45,000 Make the show and then get back home and watch the telly. 72 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:49,000 And go under anesthesia like everybody else. 73 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:56,000 And then you won't be in the situation of a handful of possessions being 57 years old. 74 00:03:56,000 --> 00:04:06,000 You'll be nice, comfortable, powerful, secure, and stupid. 75 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:08,000 This is the well-known Chidvillus. 76 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:09,000 How do you do? 77 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:10,000 Namaste. Bye-bye. 78 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:12,000 It's nice to meet you. I'm Louis. 79 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:14,000 What's the plan? 80 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:16,000 We go there. 81 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:18,000 That's the plan. We go there. 82 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:27,000 D-PAC's plan for ridding me of my stupidity involved taking me to the beach for a form of meditation known as channeling delight. 83 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:31,000 Yella! 84 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:32,000 Shake it. Shake it. 85 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:33,000 Yella! 86 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:35,000 Yella! 87 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:37,000 Yella! 88 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:39,000 Yella! 89 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:41,000 Yella! 90 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:43,000 Yella! 91 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:53,000 D-PAC and I were preparing to receive the energy of the cosmos transmitted through the hands of the Italian spiritual healer, Chidvillus. 92 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:55,000 Begin to sway. 93 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:58,000 Imagine it to be a tree in the wind. 94 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:00,000 Let the energy into your body. 95 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:06,000 And we will come and transmit energy to your energy body center. 96 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:12,000 Yella! 97 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:32,000 Apparently now full of energy, I was allowed to ask a question of the cosmos, mediated through Chidvillus' special helper. 98 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:38,000 I'm hoping to find out a little bit about spirituality. 99 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:49,000 Can you give me any advice on where I should go and how I should search? 100 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:53,000 India is a very magical place for spirituality. 101 00:05:53,000 --> 00:06:04,000 Just allow yourself to be carried by a flow and you will find what you have been looking for. 102 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:06,000 It is yourself. 103 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:09,000 Oh, got such long legs. 104 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:13,000 It's because it takes a while to get rid of it because you're like that. 105 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:15,000 Yella hips. 106 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:22,000 I felt a little bit silly in the session just now. 107 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:26,000 I was just like when I was waving with a tree part. 108 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:28,000 You kept hitting and I kept disturbing you. 109 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:32,000 I kept hitting a little lantern that was disturbing me and also it was really like my arms were getting so tired. 110 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:38,000 Your eye conscious created that obstacle to disturb you so that you would not be affected. 111 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:43,000 That's okay. This is crazy stuff compared to where you come from. 112 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:47,000 It's okay that you go, woo, about this stuff. 113 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:51,000 But you're surrounded by friends. You have support. 114 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:54,000 You just go with it. 115 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:59,000 If it's dangerous for you, I'll pull you out. 116 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:09,000 One day into my journey and the cosmos had spoken, what I was looking for was my own self. 117 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:13,000 If only I knew where to find it. 118 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:18,000 Louis, wake up and shine. Wake up feeling fine. 119 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:19,000 Coffee. 120 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:21,000 Just wake up without your mind. 121 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:22,000 Thank you. 122 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:24,000 Good morning. 123 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:25,000 Good morning. 124 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:29,000 Day two and Deepak was determined to deepen my understanding. 125 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:31,000 Is this Osho? 126 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:32,000 This is Osho. 127 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:35,000 So is this your guru? 128 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:37,000 Yeah. 129 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:38,000 Does that come off? 130 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:39,000 Yeah. 131 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:41,000 Even though he's dead now, he's been dead for two years. 132 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:44,000 He looks a little bit like a sort of glamopus. 133 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:48,000 To me, that's like, oh, rock star, you know, like I'm going to have a picture of a sting on my wall. 134 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:49,000 Uh-huh. 135 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:56,000 Well, you know, if you met this guy, his presence is so overwhelming that you wouldn't object. 136 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:58,000 Did he have a special technique? 137 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:01,000 He came up with a particular meditation. 138 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:05,000 It's basically to get the madness in your system up and out. 139 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:10,000 You do that for 12 minutes. 140 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:11,000 Total. 141 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:12,000 Come on. 142 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:13,000 Push it. 143 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:14,000 Kick it. 144 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:15,000 Come on. 145 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:16,000 I'm twice your age. 146 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:17,000 I can do better than that. 147 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:19,000 I hate this. 148 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:20,000 Right. 149 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:21,000 It's just practice. 150 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:23,000 You've never practiced breath before. 151 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:25,000 Use your arms. 152 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:30,000 Force your lungs. 153 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:31,000 Okay. 154 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:32,000 Stop a minute. 155 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:33,000 Okay. 156 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:34,000 That's the first part. 157 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:36,000 It's really making me dizzy. 158 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:37,000 Yeah. 159 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:38,000 Yeah. 160 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:39,000 Okay. 161 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:40,000 I'll do it. 162 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:41,000 I'll do it. 163 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:42,000 And then you're done. 164 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:43,000 Okay. 165 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:44,000 I'm going to do it. 166 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:45,000 Okay. 167 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:46,000 I'm going to do it. 168 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:47,000 I'm going to do it. 169 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:48,000 Okay. 170 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:49,000 Okay. 171 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:50,000 I'm going to do it. 172 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:51,000 I'm going to do it. 173 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:52,000 I'm going to do it. 174 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:53,000 Yeah. 175 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:54,000 Yeah. 176 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:55,000 Okay. 177 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:57,000 Now, that part is to get you out of your mind. 178 00:08:57,000 --> 00:08:58,000 Yeah. 179 00:08:58,000 --> 00:08:59,000 And to free up your emotions. 180 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:00,000 All right. 181 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:01,000 Because here's the second part. 182 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:03,000 I'll do the first part. 183 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:05,000 Then switch over into the second. 184 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:06,000 Ah! 185 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:07,000 Ah! 186 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:08,000 Ah! 187 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:09,000 Ah! 188 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:10,000 Ah! 189 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:11,000 Ah! 190 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:12,000 Ah! 191 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:13,000 Ah! 192 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:14,000 Ah! 193 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:15,000 Ah! 194 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:16,000 Ah! 195 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:17,000 Ah! 196 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:18,000 Ding. 197 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:19,000 Third part. 198 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:20,000 Whoo. 199 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:21,920 Whoo, who, who, who, who, who. 200 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:24,000 I can't do that one anymore. 201 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:25,000 What about the second one? 202 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:28,000 The second one is catharsis. 203 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:30,100 You're throwing out all your negativity. 204 00:09:30,100 --> 00:09:31,100 All your anger. 205 00:09:31,100 --> 00:09:32,100 Are you okay? 206 00:09:32,100 --> 00:09:34,780 Yeah, I'm okay. 207 00:09:34,780 --> 00:09:38,940 I haven't done this for a while. 208 00:09:38,940 --> 00:09:39,940 Has been good. 209 00:09:39,940 --> 00:09:40,940 So what can I do? 210 00:09:40,940 --> 00:09:41,940 How do I do that one? 211 00:09:41,940 --> 00:09:42,940 You just start screaming. 212 00:09:42,940 --> 00:09:48,060 What the breathing does is break your normal, fixed face. 213 00:09:48,060 --> 00:09:51,060 Yeah, it gets you in contact with your emotions in between. 214 00:10:05,060 --> 00:10:07,020 Switch. 215 00:10:07,060 --> 00:10:08,060 That's it. 216 00:10:09,060 --> 00:10:10,060 Come back! 217 00:10:10,060 --> 00:10:11,060 Do I have to start again? 218 00:10:12,060 --> 00:10:13,060 I better start again? 219 00:10:13,060 --> 00:10:14,060 Yes. 220 00:10:15,060 --> 00:10:16,060 Oh, my mic's gone. 221 00:10:18,060 --> 00:10:24,300 The trick with the who is keeping your arms up and when you come down, you're hitting 222 00:10:24,300 --> 00:10:27,860 your heel because that's where your sex center is. 223 00:10:27,860 --> 00:10:46,060 If you want to get a woman turned on, have her jump on her heels. 224 00:10:46,060 --> 00:10:50,500 And this is where the experience of yourself comes. 225 00:10:50,500 --> 00:11:04,140 Try to find the gap between the thoughts where there's nothing but yourself. 226 00:11:04,140 --> 00:11:05,140 And then you dance. 227 00:11:05,140 --> 00:11:06,140 Ta-da, ta-da. 228 00:11:06,140 --> 00:11:07,140 Like that. 229 00:11:07,140 --> 00:11:08,140 All right. 230 00:11:08,140 --> 00:11:09,140 And that's it. 231 00:11:09,140 --> 00:11:18,140 That's the meditation. 232 00:11:18,140 --> 00:11:19,980 Are you still doing it? 233 00:11:19,980 --> 00:11:20,980 No. 234 00:11:20,980 --> 00:11:26,460 So even this little bit, this little demonstration, I see your energy change. 235 00:11:26,460 --> 00:11:29,100 You're more awake, you're more powerful. 236 00:11:29,100 --> 00:11:30,980 I don't think I could do that for an hour. 237 00:11:30,980 --> 00:11:31,980 It's a trick. 238 00:11:31,980 --> 00:11:33,820 I can't do the jumping part anymore. 239 00:11:33,820 --> 00:11:35,820 My body's getting too old. 240 00:11:35,820 --> 00:11:36,820 Yeah. 241 00:11:36,820 --> 00:11:37,820 You know? 242 00:11:37,820 --> 00:11:38,820 But for old people, there's a trick. 243 00:11:38,820 --> 00:11:40,380 We don't have to jump so much. 244 00:11:40,380 --> 00:11:43,700 We can just stand flat-footed and hit our heels. 245 00:11:43,700 --> 00:11:44,700 Yeah, my heel. 246 00:11:44,700 --> 00:11:45,700 That's it. 247 00:11:45,700 --> 00:11:46,700 Let's go down here. 248 00:11:46,700 --> 00:11:48,740 A little bit more in the shade. 249 00:11:48,740 --> 00:11:51,060 I was thinking about the guru thing. 250 00:11:51,060 --> 00:11:54,140 If I wanted to find a guru, are there many gurus around? 251 00:11:54,140 --> 00:11:58,060 You can't swing a dead dog without hitting a guru in this country. 252 00:11:58,060 --> 00:11:59,060 Really? 253 00:11:59,060 --> 00:12:00,380 In other words, they're all over. 254 00:12:00,380 --> 00:12:03,860 Your problem's going to be which one is for you. 255 00:12:03,860 --> 00:12:06,820 And what is the status of a guru in... 256 00:12:07,820 --> 00:12:09,380 I mean, are they gods? 257 00:12:09,380 --> 00:12:10,380 Are they humans? 258 00:12:10,380 --> 00:12:11,380 Are they somewhere in between? 259 00:12:11,380 --> 00:12:14,580 Can they do miracles? 260 00:12:14,580 --> 00:12:17,180 Suspend physical laws of nature. 261 00:12:17,180 --> 00:12:18,700 I don't think so. 262 00:12:18,700 --> 00:12:19,700 No. 263 00:12:19,700 --> 00:12:23,100 The more you find a guru that does miracles, the more you should stay away. 264 00:12:23,100 --> 00:12:24,100 Yeah. 265 00:12:24,100 --> 00:12:25,100 I think I might be looking for miracles. 266 00:12:25,100 --> 00:12:27,620 I mean, because that would blow my mind if I saw that. 267 00:12:27,620 --> 00:12:32,460 Well, you know, we're looking for something special to tell us that this is something 268 00:12:32,460 --> 00:12:33,460 special. 269 00:12:33,460 --> 00:12:34,460 Yeah. 270 00:12:34,460 --> 00:12:38,980 The thing that you really want to know is it's time to go on the journey. 271 00:12:38,980 --> 00:12:47,500 If you really connect with yourself inside, you will connect with joy and bliss. 272 00:12:47,500 --> 00:12:54,900 And the incredible experience of being fully alive instead of some TV drug zombie. 273 00:12:54,900 --> 00:12:55,900 Yeah. 274 00:12:55,900 --> 00:12:57,540 Is that what I am, basically? 275 00:12:57,540 --> 00:12:58,540 So far. 276 00:12:58,540 --> 00:13:00,180 A TV drug zombie? 277 00:13:00,180 --> 00:13:01,180 Yeah. 278 00:13:01,180 --> 00:13:02,580 Hey, thanks a lot, man. 279 00:13:02,860 --> 00:13:05,180 Well, sorry, man, but a handshake's not enough. 280 00:13:05,180 --> 00:13:07,460 Oh, hugs, not drugs. 281 00:13:07,460 --> 00:13:08,460 Yeah. 282 00:13:08,460 --> 00:13:10,460 Take care of yourself. 283 00:13:10,460 --> 00:13:11,460 Yeah. 284 00:13:11,460 --> 00:13:12,460 Take care of yourself. 285 00:13:12,460 --> 00:13:13,460 Thanks a lot. 286 00:13:13,460 --> 00:13:14,460 Thank you, man. 287 00:13:14,460 --> 00:13:15,460 You're really energized. 288 00:13:15,460 --> 00:13:18,460 What empowers you is right. 289 00:13:18,460 --> 00:13:19,460 Take care. 290 00:13:19,460 --> 00:13:20,460 Gonna miss that guy. 291 00:13:20,460 --> 00:13:24,980 It was time for this TV drug zombie to hit the road. 292 00:13:24,980 --> 00:13:31,980 It was time for this TV drug zombie to hit the road in search of myself and a guru to 293 00:13:31,980 --> 00:13:34,980 help me find me. 294 00:13:34,980 --> 00:13:39,980 Everywhere I looked, there were adverts for a guru called Amar, whose name means mother. 295 00:13:39,980 --> 00:13:44,300 Apparently, she had shown a glimpse of enlightenment to hundreds of thousands of people, through 296 00:13:44,300 --> 00:13:48,220 nothing more than taking them in her arms and giving them a holy hug. 297 00:13:48,220 --> 00:13:50,220 She'd even hugged Sting. 298 00:13:51,220 --> 00:13:55,220 I decided to join her band of disciples. 299 00:13:55,220 --> 00:14:00,220 My contact, an American who followed her for the last 12 years, Ramanan. 300 00:14:00,220 --> 00:14:01,220 Thanks a lot. 301 00:14:01,220 --> 00:14:02,220 Cheers. 302 00:14:02,220 --> 00:14:03,220 Hi. 303 00:14:03,220 --> 00:14:06,220 Do you know someone called Ramanan? 304 00:14:06,220 --> 00:14:07,220 No. 305 00:14:07,220 --> 00:14:08,220 Oh, I do. 306 00:14:08,220 --> 00:14:10,220 Adityan is in silence today. 307 00:14:10,220 --> 00:14:12,220 He's a silent being today. 308 00:14:12,220 --> 00:14:14,220 He's taking a vow of silence. 309 00:14:14,220 --> 00:14:15,220 Oh. 310 00:14:15,220 --> 00:14:16,220 Ramanan's here. 311 00:14:16,220 --> 00:14:18,220 He's taking a vow of silence. 312 00:14:19,220 --> 00:14:20,220 Ramanan's here. 313 00:14:20,220 --> 00:14:21,220 Okay, sorry about that. 314 00:14:21,220 --> 00:14:22,220 Made a bit of a faux pas. 315 00:14:22,220 --> 00:14:25,220 I didn't realize you'd taken a vow of silence today. 316 00:14:25,220 --> 00:14:26,220 Are you Ramanan? 317 00:14:26,220 --> 00:14:27,220 Yes, I am. 318 00:14:27,220 --> 00:14:28,220 How are you doing? 319 00:14:28,220 --> 00:14:29,220 Good. 320 00:14:29,220 --> 00:14:30,220 How are you? 321 00:14:30,220 --> 00:14:31,220 Good. 322 00:14:31,220 --> 00:14:32,220 First, I thought maybe he didn't speak English, but... 323 00:14:32,220 --> 00:14:34,220 No, I think he's from Texas or something. 324 00:14:34,220 --> 00:14:35,220 Really? 325 00:14:35,220 --> 00:14:36,220 Some form of English. 326 00:14:36,220 --> 00:14:38,220 Can we tickle him on? 327 00:14:38,220 --> 00:14:42,220 I think you tickled enough. 328 00:14:42,220 --> 00:14:43,220 No, I'm good. 329 00:14:43,220 --> 00:14:44,220 Yeah. 330 00:14:44,220 --> 00:14:47,220 Oh, this goes in the back, I think. 331 00:14:47,220 --> 00:14:53,220 Ramanan and his 400 fellow disciples were loading up for the next leg of a grueling pilgrimage. 332 00:14:53,220 --> 00:14:56,220 They were taking Amar and her hug all over India. 333 00:15:01,220 --> 00:15:06,220 Whenever we start any trip, we sing the hundred names of our guru. 334 00:15:06,220 --> 00:15:11,220 Basically, it describes the different great qualities that our teacher has. 335 00:15:11,220 --> 00:15:12,220 Okay. 336 00:15:12,220 --> 00:15:31,220 How was that? 337 00:15:31,220 --> 00:15:32,220 I liked it. 338 00:15:32,220 --> 00:15:38,220 By charming a hundred names, it's almost as though Amar is like a god. 339 00:15:38,220 --> 00:15:46,220 If there is the possibility of a god on earth, I think she's the closest thing that we could have to god on earth. 340 00:15:46,220 --> 00:15:50,220 I would say in the same state and level as Jesus. 341 00:15:50,220 --> 00:15:51,220 Wow. 342 00:15:51,220 --> 00:15:54,220 That's a pretty high recommendation. 343 00:15:54,220 --> 00:16:04,220 I mean, I'm not actually a Christian or anything, but I just imagine if you met Jesus, you would almost be knocked up your feet. 344 00:16:04,220 --> 00:16:11,220 Amar is certainly not knee-off my feet, and I think most of these people would say the same, otherwise, you know, what are they doing in this bus? 345 00:16:11,220 --> 00:16:12,220 Wow. 346 00:16:14,220 --> 00:16:17,220 They're starting the thousand names of the Divine Mother. 347 00:16:17,220 --> 00:16:19,220 We did the hundred names of Amar. 348 00:16:19,220 --> 00:16:21,220 We did the hundred names, and she's got a thousand names. 349 00:16:21,220 --> 00:16:23,220 How long does it take to do the thousand names? 350 00:16:23,220 --> 00:16:24,220 An hour. 351 00:16:24,220 --> 00:16:27,220 It's a main practice around Amar. 352 00:16:27,220 --> 00:16:29,220 How far in God are they? 353 00:16:30,220 --> 00:16:32,220 They're on name 43. 354 00:16:32,220 --> 00:16:35,220 They got all the rest to go. 355 00:16:40,220 --> 00:16:49,220 957 names later, the convoy arrived at their next lodgings, and we set about fixing up food and bedding for the next few days. 356 00:16:49,220 --> 00:16:50,220 A little bit more, please. 357 00:16:50,220 --> 00:16:56,220 I still wasn't sure if the best way to find myself was through throwing my lot in with the Amar Brigade. 358 00:16:56,220 --> 00:16:57,220 Are you enlightened? 359 00:16:57,220 --> 00:16:59,220 Do you know if you are? 360 00:16:59,220 --> 00:17:01,220 No, I'm definitely not enlightened. 361 00:17:01,220 --> 00:17:02,220 You're not really enlightened. 362 00:17:02,220 --> 00:17:03,220 Definitely, I know. 363 00:17:03,220 --> 00:17:06,220 Because I still have anger, hatred, greed, lust. 364 00:17:06,220 --> 00:17:11,220 Enlightenment is when the mind is completely clear and calm and quiet with no thought, really. 365 00:17:11,220 --> 00:17:13,220 Now, why is that a good thing? 366 00:17:13,220 --> 00:17:19,220 It takes you to a state beyond what we know is good and bad, happy, sad. 367 00:17:19,220 --> 00:17:21,220 Basically, they say you even conquer death. 368 00:17:21,220 --> 00:17:22,220 Really? 369 00:17:22,220 --> 00:17:27,220 You can emerge into the cosmic mind, the supreme being, God, whatever you want to call it. 370 00:17:27,220 --> 00:17:30,220 But once you're enlightened, you're just plain saving. 371 00:17:30,220 --> 00:17:31,220 They're on you. 372 00:17:31,220 --> 00:17:32,220 Pretty good, yeah. 373 00:17:32,220 --> 00:17:33,220 That's what they say. 374 00:17:33,220 --> 00:17:35,220 I'm not there, so I don't know. 375 00:17:35,220 --> 00:17:36,220 Hoping to be, though. 376 00:17:36,220 --> 00:17:37,220 Hoping to be. 377 00:17:37,220 --> 00:17:38,220 That's why I'm here. 378 00:17:38,220 --> 00:17:39,220 Yeah. 379 00:17:43,220 --> 00:17:45,220 What are you doing? 380 00:17:45,220 --> 00:17:47,220 What are you doing, sir? 381 00:17:48,220 --> 00:17:51,220 I'm asking Mother to be with me. 382 00:17:51,220 --> 00:17:52,220 Really? 383 00:17:52,220 --> 00:17:53,220 Yes. 384 00:17:53,220 --> 00:17:55,220 You're speaking, but you've got one of these badges on here. 385 00:17:55,220 --> 00:17:57,220 Doesn't that mean you can't speak? 386 00:17:58,220 --> 00:18:02,220 This, if you look closely, says silence is bliss. 387 00:18:02,220 --> 00:18:07,220 So it allows me to avoid unnecessary conversations. 388 00:18:07,220 --> 00:18:08,220 Wow. 389 00:18:08,220 --> 00:18:10,220 You're freaking me out. 390 00:18:14,220 --> 00:18:16,220 May I ask your name? 391 00:18:16,220 --> 00:18:17,220 Anirudhan. 392 00:18:17,220 --> 00:18:18,220 Anirudhan. 393 00:18:18,220 --> 00:18:19,220 Anirudhan. 394 00:18:19,220 --> 00:18:22,220 And what's your, um, what's your born name? 395 00:18:22,220 --> 00:18:23,220 Courtney. 396 00:18:23,220 --> 00:18:24,220 Courtney. 397 00:18:24,220 --> 00:18:25,220 Courtney. 398 00:18:25,220 --> 00:18:28,220 I'm a little curious about what the living quarters are like here. 399 00:18:28,220 --> 00:18:30,220 May I take a look at your room? 400 00:18:30,220 --> 00:18:31,220 Yeah. 401 00:18:33,220 --> 00:18:40,220 Remanand had made it all sound quite straightforward, but now I was entering Courtney's world and I didn't have a map. 402 00:18:40,220 --> 00:18:42,220 Are we not disturbing these people? 403 00:18:42,220 --> 00:18:47,220 Well, if you are, I guess that's just the way it's going to be. 404 00:18:48,220 --> 00:18:51,220 So, um, which is your bit? 405 00:18:51,220 --> 00:18:52,220 Right here. 406 00:18:52,220 --> 00:18:54,220 Can you give us a little tour? 407 00:18:55,220 --> 00:18:57,220 Well, this is it. 408 00:18:57,220 --> 00:19:01,220 I have a little alter to help me remember the divine. 409 00:19:01,220 --> 00:19:03,220 Who's that on there? 410 00:19:03,220 --> 00:19:04,220 That's Alma. 411 00:19:04,220 --> 00:19:06,220 Let me ask you something. 412 00:19:06,220 --> 00:19:09,220 What profession did you pursue when you were in the U.S.? 413 00:19:09,220 --> 00:19:10,220 What? 414 00:19:10,220 --> 00:19:11,220 It's the past. 415 00:19:11,220 --> 00:19:12,220 It just makes me laugh. 416 00:19:12,220 --> 00:19:13,220 What? 417 00:19:13,220 --> 00:19:15,220 Why did the past make you laugh? 418 00:19:15,220 --> 00:19:16,220 It's just a story. 419 00:19:16,220 --> 00:19:17,220 It's very insignificant. 420 00:19:17,220 --> 00:19:19,220 It's very shallow. 421 00:19:19,220 --> 00:19:21,220 Isn't your past who you are? 422 00:19:21,220 --> 00:19:23,220 Not this child's past. 423 00:19:23,220 --> 00:19:24,220 The past is a story. 424 00:19:24,220 --> 00:19:25,220 It's like a book. 425 00:19:25,220 --> 00:19:27,220 Am I a book? 426 00:19:27,220 --> 00:19:29,220 You have to look within. 427 00:19:29,220 --> 00:19:35,220 When you speak, you have quite a solemn way of speaking, because I don't feel like we're talking like human beings in all of you. 428 00:19:35,220 --> 00:19:38,220 I offered myself up to the Lord. 429 00:19:38,220 --> 00:19:43,220 I want to, if this child is to be of any service, it's to be an instrument. 430 00:19:43,220 --> 00:19:47,220 If the other was to show up, I would ask forgiveness. 431 00:19:47,220 --> 00:19:49,220 Because it'd be the ego. 432 00:19:49,220 --> 00:19:51,220 No, but we like ego. 433 00:19:51,220 --> 00:19:52,220 You do. 434 00:19:52,220 --> 00:19:53,220 You do. 435 00:19:53,220 --> 00:19:54,220 I used to very much. 436 00:19:54,220 --> 00:19:56,220 You're just humanizing. 437 00:19:56,220 --> 00:19:57,220 We're all basic. 438 00:19:57,220 --> 00:19:59,220 We've all got ego, haven't we? 439 00:19:59,220 --> 00:20:00,220 Really? 440 00:20:00,220 --> 00:20:01,220 Yeah, but are you happy? 441 00:20:01,220 --> 00:20:03,220 For a short period of time? 442 00:20:03,220 --> 00:20:04,220 More or less. 443 00:20:04,220 --> 00:20:05,220 Yeah. 444 00:20:05,220 --> 00:20:06,220 Right. 445 00:20:06,220 --> 00:20:07,220 There you go. 446 00:20:07,220 --> 00:20:09,220 I'm probably as happy as you are, roughly. 447 00:20:09,220 --> 00:20:12,220 I don't say I'll be any more happy. 448 00:20:12,220 --> 00:20:24,220 The depth of the ecstasy of losing the self is so deep that once you taste it, all other pleasures are insignificant. 449 00:20:24,220 --> 00:20:30,220 Can we talk to Courtney Cooper now? 450 00:20:30,220 --> 00:20:35,220 I let Courtney Cooper die. 451 00:20:35,220 --> 00:20:38,220 What are you doing? 452 00:20:38,220 --> 00:20:42,220 I'm asking Mother to make sure that Courtney Cooper stays dead. 453 00:20:42,220 --> 00:20:43,220 Why? 454 00:20:43,220 --> 00:20:44,220 I'm getting to Courtney now. 455 00:20:44,220 --> 00:20:46,220 I'm reaching Courtney. 456 00:20:46,220 --> 00:20:48,220 No, this is Courtney Cooper now. 457 00:20:48,220 --> 00:20:52,220 This is the Courtney Cooper of today. 458 00:20:52,220 --> 00:20:56,220 And for me, to utter much more would be ignorance. 459 00:21:09,220 --> 00:21:12,220 That was too weird. 460 00:21:20,220 --> 00:21:23,220 Courtney left me feeling totally perplexed. 461 00:21:23,220 --> 00:21:27,220 I guess I was still too attached to my own ego. 462 00:21:31,220 --> 00:21:36,220 It would be a few days before the stage was set for the next audience with Amar. 463 00:21:36,220 --> 00:21:40,220 I was getting the sense that maybe I'd gone too deep too soon. 464 00:21:40,220 --> 00:21:43,220 And so I thought I'd try something more familiar. 465 00:21:43,220 --> 00:21:47,220 I headed off to the holy city of Mayapur on the banks of the Ganges, 466 00:21:47,220 --> 00:21:50,220 headquarters of the Hari Krishna movement. 467 00:21:58,220 --> 00:22:03,220 I'd often seen Shaven-headed Hari Krishna devotees dancing in London's West End 468 00:22:03,220 --> 00:22:05,220 and wondered what they were doing. 469 00:22:05,220 --> 00:22:07,220 Now it was time to find out. 470 00:22:07,220 --> 00:22:12,220 My contact was a man named Hari Sori, a disciple for the last 30 years. 471 00:22:12,220 --> 00:22:14,220 Hari Sori? 472 00:22:14,220 --> 00:22:16,220 How do you do? 473 00:22:16,220 --> 00:22:19,220 Good to meet you. 474 00:22:19,220 --> 00:22:20,220 Do you speak English? 475 00:22:20,220 --> 00:22:21,220 I do. 476 00:22:21,220 --> 00:22:22,220 Where are you from? 477 00:22:22,220 --> 00:22:24,220 I'm originally from England, Skunkville. 478 00:22:24,220 --> 00:22:25,220 Really? 479 00:22:25,220 --> 00:22:26,220 Yeah. 480 00:22:26,220 --> 00:22:27,220 So what's the plan? 481 00:22:27,220 --> 00:22:28,220 You want to go on a tour? 482 00:22:28,220 --> 00:22:29,220 Yeah. 483 00:22:29,220 --> 00:22:30,220 Okay. 484 00:22:30,220 --> 00:22:31,220 Let's do it. 485 00:22:32,220 --> 00:22:33,220 Who's that guy? 486 00:22:33,220 --> 00:22:35,220 This is Shona Prabhupada. 487 00:22:35,220 --> 00:22:38,220 He was the founder of the Hari Krishna movement. 488 00:22:38,220 --> 00:22:39,220 Nice guy. 489 00:22:39,220 --> 00:22:41,220 He was a wonderful person. 490 00:22:41,220 --> 00:22:42,220 Was he a guru? 491 00:22:42,220 --> 00:22:43,220 Yeah. 492 00:22:43,220 --> 00:22:49,220 Guru means a person that knows God and can present who God is to a disciple. 493 00:22:49,220 --> 00:22:51,220 And perform miracles? 494 00:22:51,220 --> 00:22:56,220 Well, Prabhupada was sometimes quite to us and he would say, 495 00:22:56,220 --> 00:23:02,220 I've transformed them from meat eaters, sense-enjoyers, drunkards into saintly persons. 496 00:23:02,220 --> 00:23:05,220 So he said that's the only miracle that I can perform. 497 00:23:05,220 --> 00:23:07,220 Did you say sense-enjoyers? 498 00:23:07,220 --> 00:23:08,220 Yeah. 499 00:23:08,220 --> 00:23:09,220 Yeah, what's that? 500 00:23:09,220 --> 00:23:12,220 That doesn't sound like a bad thing to me, to enjoy your senses. 501 00:23:12,220 --> 00:23:14,220 Well, enjoyment is good. 502 00:23:14,220 --> 00:23:15,220 Yeah. 503 00:23:15,220 --> 00:23:17,220 But it depends on how you gather. 504 00:23:17,220 --> 00:23:18,220 Yeah. 505 00:23:18,220 --> 00:23:19,220 Most people... 506 00:23:19,220 --> 00:23:20,220 Through the senses. 507 00:23:20,220 --> 00:23:25,220 Yeah, well, most people think that sense-enjoyment is the ultimate, you know, goal in life. 508 00:23:25,220 --> 00:23:26,220 Yeah. 509 00:23:26,220 --> 00:23:28,220 If you get sex or you get drunk or, you know, whatever. 510 00:23:28,220 --> 00:23:30,220 That's some delicious food. 511 00:23:30,220 --> 00:23:34,220 It seems, you know, that that's the peak, but it actually is very limited and it's very temporary. 512 00:23:34,220 --> 00:23:35,220 Yeah. 513 00:23:35,220 --> 00:23:38,220 Because you're actually a soul and not the body. 514 00:23:38,220 --> 00:23:41,220 For a Hari Krishna, the road to enlightenment is simple. 515 00:23:41,220 --> 00:23:43,220 You chant and you dance. 516 00:23:43,220 --> 00:23:45,220 It was worth a shot. 517 00:23:45,220 --> 00:23:46,220 Shall we get you dressed up? 518 00:23:46,220 --> 00:23:47,220 Yeah, yeah, tell me what... 519 00:23:47,220 --> 00:23:48,220 So what is the plan? 520 00:23:48,220 --> 00:23:50,220 Why is it better that I wear this than what I'm wearing now? 521 00:23:50,220 --> 00:23:55,220 Well, it will help you to get more into the mood of what it's like to be a devotee. 522 00:23:58,220 --> 00:24:00,220 That can keep my underwear on though. 523 00:24:00,220 --> 00:24:01,220 Yeah, yeah. 524 00:24:06,220 --> 00:24:10,220 Now the real experience for it being a devotee is if you chant... 525 00:24:10,220 --> 00:24:11,220 Do some chanting. 526 00:24:11,220 --> 00:24:12,220 For sure. 527 00:24:12,220 --> 00:24:13,220 ...the real essence. 528 00:24:13,220 --> 00:24:14,220 Yeah, that's the core of it. 529 00:24:14,220 --> 00:24:16,220 Feeling good. 530 00:24:16,220 --> 00:24:18,220 Looking good. 531 00:24:18,220 --> 00:24:21,220 Should my leg be coming out like that? 532 00:24:21,220 --> 00:24:24,220 You can move it further over. 533 00:24:26,220 --> 00:24:31,220 That slip of paper I gave you, that's got the Hari Krishna mantra on it. 534 00:24:31,220 --> 00:24:33,220 That will help you to chant. 535 00:24:35,220 --> 00:24:37,220 Could I kneel down as well? 536 00:24:37,220 --> 00:24:39,220 Yeah, please. That's good. 537 00:24:48,220 --> 00:24:54,220 I'll be your Hari Krishna 538 00:24:54,220 --> 00:24:59,220 Hari, I'll be your Hari 539 00:24:59,220 --> 00:25:05,220 Hari, I'll be your Hari 540 00:25:07,220 --> 00:25:08,220 Hari, I'm all you 541 00:25:08,220 --> 00:25:10,220 It's not what I call catchy. 542 00:25:10,220 --> 00:25:15,220 I don't know if I feel like spiritually enhanced. 543 00:25:15,220 --> 00:25:18,220 Well, it's a thing that comes gradually. 544 00:25:18,220 --> 00:25:22,220 I mean, it's not like something that strikes you and knocks you down dead. 545 00:25:22,220 --> 00:25:23,220 Maybe some people it does. 546 00:25:23,220 --> 00:25:28,220 There's an example that's given that just as a fog is dissipated by the sunlight, 547 00:25:28,220 --> 00:25:32,220 when you chant Hare Krishna, then it dissipates all your ignorance, 548 00:25:32,220 --> 00:25:36,220 just gradually, like a cloud evaporates under the sunshine. 549 00:25:36,220 --> 00:25:37,220 It takes a little time. 550 00:25:37,220 --> 00:25:39,220 Yeah, it takes a bit longer than that, I suppose. 551 00:25:39,220 --> 00:25:40,220 Right. 552 00:25:40,220 --> 00:25:45,220 I needed a change of approach. 553 00:25:45,220 --> 00:25:49,220 I decided to go straight to the top. 554 00:25:49,220 --> 00:25:54,220 It was time for my first encounter with a flesh and blood real-life guru. 555 00:25:54,220 --> 00:25:56,220 I'm looking for the Lotus Bill, baby. 556 00:25:56,220 --> 00:25:57,220 Lotus is right. 557 00:25:57,220 --> 00:25:58,220 It's right. 558 00:25:58,220 --> 00:25:59,220 It's right. 559 00:25:59,220 --> 00:26:03,220 Since the death of Prabhupada 23 years ago, 560 00:26:03,220 --> 00:26:07,220 his mission has been taken up by a team of 80 new gurus worldwide. 561 00:26:07,220 --> 00:26:14,220 I was off to see if Guru Jayataka Swami might be the man to set me on the path to self-knowledge. 562 00:26:14,220 --> 00:26:15,220 Hi, Gershah. 563 00:26:15,220 --> 00:26:17,220 All right, what's your name? 564 00:26:17,220 --> 00:26:18,220 I'm Luli. 565 00:26:18,220 --> 00:26:19,220 Luli. 566 00:26:19,220 --> 00:26:20,220 Welcome. 567 00:26:20,220 --> 00:26:21,220 How are you doing? 568 00:26:21,220 --> 00:26:22,220 Have a seat. 569 00:26:22,220 --> 00:26:23,220 OK. 570 00:26:23,220 --> 00:26:28,220 How is it that Hare Krishna has attracted so many cosmopolitan followers, not just Indians? 571 00:26:28,220 --> 00:26:31,220 Everybody has the same spiritual needs. 572 00:26:31,220 --> 00:26:33,220 They want to be close to God. 573 00:26:33,220 --> 00:26:36,220 They want to know what is the purpose of life. 574 00:26:36,220 --> 00:26:38,220 And the answer comes from an Indian tradition? 575 00:26:38,220 --> 00:26:42,220 You see, truth is not a monopoly on anybody. 576 00:26:42,220 --> 00:26:44,220 You sound like you might be American. 577 00:26:44,220 --> 00:26:49,220 I was born in America in India for 30 years. 578 00:26:49,220 --> 00:26:50,220 Really? 579 00:26:50,220 --> 00:26:52,220 What name did you grow up under? 580 00:26:52,220 --> 00:26:55,220 Well, I grew up under the name Gordon. 581 00:26:55,220 --> 00:26:56,220 Yeah. 582 00:26:56,220 --> 00:27:01,220 So am I right in thinking the chief practice of Hare Krishna people is chanting the Hare Krishna? 583 00:27:01,220 --> 00:27:02,220 That's the essence of it. 584 00:27:02,220 --> 00:27:07,220 In fact, I even thought, was this gentleman, were you chanting it just now, under your breath? 585 00:27:07,220 --> 00:27:08,220 They're constantly chanting. 586 00:27:08,220 --> 00:27:09,220 Constantly. 587 00:27:09,220 --> 00:27:14,220 Hare Krishna, Hare Krishna, Hare Krishna, Hare Hare Hare Hare. 588 00:27:14,220 --> 00:27:17,220 And now, why are they clustering around you right now? 589 00:27:17,220 --> 00:27:24,220 They are like disciples and devotees who, if they get the opportunity to follow me around, 590 00:27:24,220 --> 00:27:25,220 they'll do it. 591 00:27:25,220 --> 00:27:26,220 Really? 592 00:27:26,220 --> 00:27:27,220 Why? 593 00:27:27,220 --> 00:27:28,220 Ask them. 594 00:27:28,220 --> 00:27:35,220 spiritual master gets you close to God and by his association you know we become happy 595 00:27:35,220 --> 00:27:36,580 we feel happy when we are with him. 596 00:27:36,580 --> 00:27:38,080 How does that make you feel? 597 00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:40,540 There's no more private life. 598 00:27:40,540 --> 00:27:43,980 My life I just give to helping people become God-pensioned. 599 00:27:43,980 --> 00:27:47,860 Why is this gentleman walking around carrying a tape recorder? 600 00:27:47,860 --> 00:27:52,940 Because the spiritual master's sound vibration is transcendental so the sound vibration of 601 00:27:52,940 --> 00:27:58,460 the spiritual master is very important for devotees. 602 00:27:58,460 --> 00:27:59,940 How about that? 603 00:27:59,940 --> 00:28:00,940 Excellent. 604 00:28:00,940 --> 00:28:05,940 I'd like to show you the campus over here. 605 00:28:05,940 --> 00:28:08,940 Are they bowing to me or to you? 606 00:28:08,940 --> 00:28:10,940 I'm just kidding. 607 00:28:10,940 --> 00:28:12,940 Harigus, Harigus. 608 00:28:12,940 --> 00:28:14,940 Harigus, Harigus. 609 00:28:14,940 --> 00:28:16,940 Harigus, Harigus. 610 00:28:16,940 --> 00:28:18,940 Now what happened then? 611 00:28:18,940 --> 00:28:23,460 He wanted to touch my feet but actually when people touch your feet they're touching because 612 00:28:23,460 --> 00:28:25,740 they want to get like a blessing. 613 00:28:25,740 --> 00:28:28,940 But then it also puts their vibrations on the person. 614 00:28:28,940 --> 00:28:32,940 So generally it's not recommended we let people touch our feet. 615 00:28:32,940 --> 00:28:33,940 Really? 616 00:28:33,940 --> 00:28:35,940 What it puts their vibration on you is that bad? 617 00:28:35,940 --> 00:28:37,940 Well we get overloaded after a certain point. 618 00:28:37,940 --> 00:28:38,940 Really? 619 00:28:38,940 --> 00:28:41,940 How many vibrations can you take? 620 00:28:41,940 --> 00:28:47,940 Also it's quite embarrassing people touching their feet. 621 00:28:47,940 --> 00:28:48,940 Yeah. 622 00:28:48,940 --> 00:28:55,940 I could get used to it. 623 00:28:55,940 --> 00:29:04,940 You go over it and see about feeling the hungry people. 624 00:29:04,940 --> 00:29:09,940 Like that? 625 00:29:09,940 --> 00:29:12,940 How many spoonfuls? 626 00:29:12,940 --> 00:29:19,940 The secret is to keep the people with a lot of respect. 627 00:29:19,940 --> 00:29:20,940 Yeah. 628 00:29:20,940 --> 00:29:29,940 That's a great thing. 629 00:29:29,940 --> 00:29:31,940 How often do you have a feast like that? 630 00:29:31,940 --> 00:29:33,940 Oh, two times a year. 631 00:29:33,940 --> 00:29:34,940 Yeah. 632 00:29:34,940 --> 00:29:38,940 Because you were saying about not having too much sensual gratification but that feast was 633 00:29:38,940 --> 00:29:39,940 a feast of sensual gratification. 634 00:29:39,940 --> 00:29:43,940 No, you see we use our senses in the service of Krishna. 635 00:29:43,940 --> 00:29:44,940 Right. 636 00:29:44,940 --> 00:29:48,940 Everything we do we do it as a offering to God. 637 00:29:48,940 --> 00:29:50,940 This is the sacred Ganges. 638 00:29:50,940 --> 00:29:53,940 It's said to be liquid love of God. 639 00:29:53,940 --> 00:29:54,940 Really? 640 00:29:54,940 --> 00:29:55,940 Yeah. 641 00:29:55,940 --> 00:29:56,940 Is it alright? 642 00:29:56,940 --> 00:29:57,940 You test it? 643 00:29:57,940 --> 00:30:04,940 Yeah. 644 00:30:04,940 --> 00:30:07,940 So by bathing in the Ganges you can actually become more spiritual? 645 00:30:07,940 --> 00:30:08,940 Definitely. 646 00:30:08,940 --> 00:30:11,940 And how about can you take that home with you? 647 00:30:11,940 --> 00:30:13,940 It's a permanent asset. 648 00:30:13,940 --> 00:30:14,940 It is? 649 00:30:14,940 --> 00:30:15,940 Yes. 650 00:30:15,940 --> 00:30:18,940 You have a good karma bank account and a bad karma bank account. 651 00:30:18,940 --> 00:30:23,940 So like you're coming here bathing in the Ganges this is put in a deposit and your spiritual 652 00:30:23,940 --> 00:30:24,940 bank account. 653 00:30:24,940 --> 00:30:25,940 That's a little contribution. 654 00:30:25,940 --> 00:30:26,940 You take that with you. 655 00:30:26,940 --> 00:30:30,940 What about if we chanted Hare Krishna right now while floating around in the Ganges the 656 00:30:30,940 --> 00:30:31,940 most sacred river? 657 00:30:31,940 --> 00:30:33,940 Then it will be even multiplied. 658 00:30:33,940 --> 00:30:34,940 Can we do that? 659 00:30:34,940 --> 00:30:35,940 Why not? 660 00:30:35,940 --> 00:30:36,940 Yeah. 661 00:30:36,940 --> 00:30:37,940 Will you lead? 662 00:30:37,940 --> 00:30:48,940 Hare Krishna, Hare Krishna, Krishna Krishna, Hare Hare, Hare Rama, Hare Rama. 663 00:30:48,940 --> 00:30:53,940 And then just as I was getting into the groove disaster struck. 664 00:30:53,940 --> 00:30:55,940 Put down the windows. 665 00:30:55,940 --> 00:31:00,940 Why don't you move it? 666 00:31:00,940 --> 00:31:03,940 Are we alright? 667 00:31:03,940 --> 00:31:07,940 Looks like he ran aground. 668 00:31:07,940 --> 00:31:10,940 Quick, let's keep chanting. 669 00:31:10,940 --> 00:31:17,940 Hare Krishna, Hare Krishna, Krishna Krishna, Hare Hare, Hare Rama, Hare Rama, Rama Rama, 670 00:31:17,940 --> 00:31:19,940 Hare Hare, Hare Krishna, Hare Krishna. 671 00:31:19,940 --> 00:31:22,940 You are out of danger now. 672 00:31:22,940 --> 00:31:24,940 So you're chanting, took us out of danger. 673 00:31:24,940 --> 00:31:25,940 Thank you very much. 674 00:31:25,940 --> 00:31:26,940 That might have been karma. 675 00:31:26,940 --> 00:31:29,940 Was it coming for me or coming for you? 676 00:31:29,940 --> 00:31:32,940 If I went all together it's a kind of collective karma. 677 00:31:32,940 --> 00:31:33,940 Yeah. 678 00:31:33,940 --> 00:31:39,940 There was a plane that crashed in New York and it split open and eight people were thrown 679 00:31:39,940 --> 00:31:42,940 out and they just landed on their feet and walked off unharmed. 680 00:31:42,940 --> 00:31:44,940 Everyone else was killed. 681 00:31:44,940 --> 00:31:46,940 The moral of that story is? 682 00:31:46,940 --> 00:31:53,940 Those eight people had karma that wasn't their time to go. 683 00:31:53,940 --> 00:31:55,940 Thanks so much for your time. 684 00:31:55,940 --> 00:31:58,940 Maybe I'll see you sometime when I stop in London. 685 00:31:58,940 --> 00:32:00,940 No, I'd love to see you. 686 00:32:00,940 --> 00:32:02,940 And please come back here and visit us again. 687 00:32:02,940 --> 00:32:03,940 I will. 688 00:32:03,940 --> 00:32:04,940 With a little more time. 689 00:32:04,940 --> 00:32:05,940 Yeah, with more time. 690 00:32:05,940 --> 00:32:06,940 Thanks again. 691 00:32:06,940 --> 00:32:08,940 See you later Maharaj. 692 00:32:08,940 --> 00:32:12,940 I was beginning to wonder whether treating someone as a living god and hanging on their 693 00:32:12,940 --> 00:32:16,940 every word might not serve the teacher better than the disciple. 694 00:32:16,940 --> 00:32:22,940 To settle the matter I decided to search out a guru who was going all the way and claiming 695 00:32:22,940 --> 00:32:24,940 miraculous powers. 696 00:32:24,940 --> 00:32:30,940 Sri Ganapati is a third generation Indian Swami with a catalogue of strange music videos 697 00:32:30,940 --> 00:32:35,940 proclaiming the powers of his unique spiritual melodies. 698 00:32:35,940 --> 00:32:41,940 I arrived at his huge complex to see if he could promise me a miracle. 699 00:32:41,940 --> 00:32:45,940 I'd arranged to meet another guest, an American physicist who'd followed him for the last 700 00:32:45,940 --> 00:32:48,940 seven years, Mike. 701 00:32:48,940 --> 00:32:49,940 How do you do? 702 00:32:49,940 --> 00:32:50,940 Lily? 703 00:32:50,940 --> 00:32:51,940 Yes. 704 00:32:51,940 --> 00:32:52,940 How do you do? 705 00:32:52,940 --> 00:32:53,940 Good. 706 00:32:53,940 --> 00:32:54,940 You know exactly when. 707 00:32:54,940 --> 00:32:55,940 Yeah. 708 00:32:55,940 --> 00:33:00,300 As I understand it, this is basically a community, a spiritual community that follows the spiritual 709 00:33:00,300 --> 00:33:01,940 guidance of a single individual. 710 00:33:01,940 --> 00:33:02,940 Yes. 711 00:33:02,940 --> 00:33:03,940 Being that man over there. 712 00:33:03,940 --> 00:33:07,220 Oh yes, Sri Swami Ganapati Satchit and Andhra Swamiji. 713 00:33:07,220 --> 00:33:08,860 Why are all these people here? 714 00:33:08,860 --> 00:33:09,860 What are they doing here? 715 00:33:09,860 --> 00:33:16,980 Well, you know, it's an individual path but ultimately people are improving themselves. 716 00:33:16,980 --> 00:33:20,900 I'm on a sort of spiritual journey of my own. 717 00:33:20,900 --> 00:33:23,900 I'm a little skeptical by nature. 718 00:33:23,900 --> 00:33:25,900 Oh yeah, during the club. 719 00:33:25,900 --> 00:33:26,900 I'm a total skeptic. 720 00:33:26,900 --> 00:33:27,900 Oh, you seriously? 721 00:33:27,900 --> 00:33:28,900 Yes. 722 00:33:28,900 --> 00:33:34,460 One of his biggest vehicles for helping people is his music. 723 00:33:34,460 --> 00:33:38,900 His musical compositions affect human physiology in a direct way. 724 00:33:38,900 --> 00:33:42,900 Wait, that seems like an important point. 725 00:33:42,900 --> 00:33:48,660 Yeah, kind of meaning like when he's jamming on the keyboard, the result is that people 726 00:33:48,660 --> 00:33:55,580 are getting vibrations that are affecting their physiology medicinally, directly. 727 00:33:55,580 --> 00:33:57,380 He uses music to cure people? 728 00:33:57,380 --> 00:33:58,380 Yeah. 729 00:33:58,380 --> 00:33:59,380 In a very direct way. 730 00:33:59,380 --> 00:34:04,220 Sometimes he intros a song by going, you know, this one's for back problems or vision 731 00:34:04,220 --> 00:34:06,780 or, you know, any number of things. 732 00:34:06,780 --> 00:34:07,780 Because you wear spectacles. 733 00:34:07,780 --> 00:34:08,780 Oh yeah, I certainly do. 734 00:34:08,780 --> 00:34:09,780 I wear coke bottles. 735 00:34:09,780 --> 00:34:10,780 Yeah. 736 00:34:10,780 --> 00:34:11,780 I mean those things are thick. 737 00:34:11,780 --> 00:34:12,780 Couldn't he cure that? 738 00:34:12,780 --> 00:34:13,780 Your eyesight? 739 00:34:13,780 --> 00:34:14,780 He might. 740 00:34:14,780 --> 00:34:17,380 You know, I just haven't, you know, it could happen. 741 00:34:18,380 --> 00:34:22,900 He's done much bigger things than that. 742 00:34:22,900 --> 00:34:29,180 Might wanted to show me his favorite spot in the ashram, a garden of meditation stones. 743 00:34:29,180 --> 00:34:30,180 How you doing? 744 00:34:30,180 --> 00:34:40,500 You know, the Swami suggested facing a certain direction and I can't remember which direction. 745 00:34:40,500 --> 00:34:43,420 So this might not be right. 746 00:34:43,420 --> 00:34:49,620 I have to laugh because the Swami does exhibit effects that to us are considered supernatural. 747 00:34:49,620 --> 00:34:50,620 Yeah. 748 00:34:50,620 --> 00:34:55,020 It's not hocus pocus, you know, kind of thing. 749 00:34:55,020 --> 00:35:02,100 It's the result of dedication, focus, yoga practice and the end result are siddhis. 750 00:35:02,100 --> 00:35:03,100 Which are? 751 00:35:03,100 --> 00:35:07,140 S-I-D-D-H-I-S and they're supernatural powers. 752 00:35:07,140 --> 00:35:08,140 Seriously? 753 00:35:08,140 --> 00:35:09,140 Yeah. 754 00:35:09,140 --> 00:35:10,140 Yeah. 755 00:35:10,140 --> 00:35:13,300 The Swami routinely materializes jewelry for people. 756 00:35:13,300 --> 00:35:14,180 Yeah. 757 00:35:14,180 --> 00:35:19,740 Like bracelets and necklaces and rings and things like this. 758 00:35:19,740 --> 00:35:21,060 Like this as a matter of fact. 759 00:35:21,060 --> 00:35:25,900 But his take on it though is he says it's not for show, I mean in other words like this 760 00:35:25,900 --> 00:35:31,860 isn't Las Vegas, you know, but he says materializations are for two purposes. 761 00:35:31,860 --> 00:35:34,700 For energy balance or spiritual protection. 762 00:35:34,700 --> 00:35:35,700 Only. 763 00:35:35,700 --> 00:35:39,100 So you wouldn't materialize a new car. 764 00:35:39,100 --> 00:35:44,700 Nothing, nothing. 765 00:35:44,700 --> 00:35:46,980 You're a physicist by occupation. 766 00:35:46,980 --> 00:35:49,980 So I would expect that would make you pretty hard headed and that you'd look for scientific 767 00:35:49,980 --> 00:35:51,380 proof and all this kind of thing. 768 00:35:51,380 --> 00:35:54,180 Have you applied those techniques to Swami Ji? 769 00:35:54,180 --> 00:35:55,180 Absolutely. 770 00:35:55,180 --> 00:35:58,780 I'm a scientist to the small sayoda when it comes to proof. 771 00:35:58,780 --> 00:36:06,700 But my association with Swami Ji, there's an element of just kind of like love and affection. 772 00:36:06,700 --> 00:36:11,900 I was skeptical, but I liked Mike so I signed up for the whole range of Swami Ji's spiritual 773 00:36:11,900 --> 00:36:14,580 exercises. 774 00:36:14,580 --> 00:36:21,900 There was yoga. 775 00:36:21,900 --> 00:36:26,980 There was a therapy bed that sent healing musical vibrations directly into your body. 776 00:36:26,980 --> 00:36:34,580 Is that any good when I do it? 777 00:36:34,580 --> 00:36:40,500 Then there was a good old fashioned sing-along. 778 00:36:40,500 --> 00:36:46,260 But despite Mike's best efforts and a quick glimpse of Swami Ji himself, I still didn't 779 00:36:46,260 --> 00:36:52,260 believe that the Swami could really perform miracles. 780 00:36:52,260 --> 00:36:57,660 It was Mike's last night before returning to America and he invited me to sleep over 781 00:36:57,660 --> 00:37:16,620 at the dorm and then share his farewell audience with the Swami the following morning. 782 00:37:16,620 --> 00:37:22,420 There's this really nice accomplished shopkeeper from London that told me the story a day or 783 00:37:22,420 --> 00:37:23,420 two ago. 784 00:37:23,420 --> 00:37:26,660 He said Swami Ji came into a shop and got some items. 785 00:37:26,660 --> 00:37:28,160 He writes up the bill. 786 00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:36,740 Swami Ji goes like this in a 50 pound note, just jumped out of his foot. 787 00:37:36,740 --> 00:37:38,740 He comes here. 788 00:37:38,740 --> 00:37:46,420 He's working on a cosmic level. 789 00:37:46,420 --> 00:37:48,700 Don't take this the wrong way Mike. 790 00:37:48,700 --> 00:37:54,540 Who was there any sadness in your life before you came to see Swami and committed to him? 791 00:37:54,540 --> 00:37:57,580 I have a little saying. 792 00:37:57,580 --> 00:38:00,220 Fundamentalism is the aftermath of a nervous breakdown. 793 00:38:00,220 --> 00:38:07,380 It's a little bit chorus but no. 794 00:38:07,380 --> 00:38:08,860 Did you have a nice break? 795 00:38:08,860 --> 00:38:09,860 No, sometimes. 796 00:38:09,860 --> 00:38:12,220 Did you come up with that? 797 00:38:12,220 --> 00:38:13,220 Yeah, please. 798 00:38:13,220 --> 00:38:18,220 No, I don't. 799 00:38:18,220 --> 00:38:23,220 It's not even like, you know, you know, okay. 800 00:38:23,220 --> 00:38:26,220 It doesn't look like a parent. 801 00:38:26,220 --> 00:38:31,220 I mean, it's kind of like, you know, are you like a burnout, you know, who found the Lord? 802 00:38:31,220 --> 00:38:34,220 You know, it's not quite. 803 00:38:34,220 --> 00:38:37,220 Are you ready for it? 804 00:38:37,220 --> 00:38:39,220 Yes, I think so. 805 00:38:40,220 --> 00:38:43,220 I hadn't meant to offend Mike. 806 00:38:43,220 --> 00:38:45,220 He was a nice guy. 807 00:38:45,220 --> 00:38:52,220 But I was worried that for him and many of the Westerners, the Swami's main attraction lay in their need to believe in his supernatural powers. 808 00:38:52,220 --> 00:38:55,220 I'll just go. 809 00:38:55,220 --> 00:38:58,220 Swami Ji is going to see you in natural India. 810 00:38:58,220 --> 00:38:59,220 Okay. 811 00:38:59,220 --> 00:39:01,220 Let's go. 812 00:39:03,220 --> 00:39:08,220 And yet I was still excited to finally meet him. 813 00:39:08,220 --> 00:39:11,220 I think he's on his way. 814 00:39:15,220 --> 00:39:17,220 I look like a little man. 815 00:39:17,220 --> 00:39:19,220 So, how are you? 816 00:39:19,220 --> 00:39:21,220 Yes, thank you very much. 817 00:39:21,220 --> 00:39:22,220 Thank you. 818 00:39:22,220 --> 00:39:24,220 Is Mike making good progress? 819 00:39:24,220 --> 00:39:29,220 Maybe you can ask Mike, what is Swami Ji's association? 820 00:39:29,220 --> 00:39:33,220 Every single day of my life, Swami Ji helps me. 821 00:39:33,220 --> 00:39:35,220 Every single day. 822 00:39:35,220 --> 00:39:42,220 Mike said that you had materialized this mala for him. 823 00:39:42,220 --> 00:39:48,220 If you did that for everyone, I imagine you'd get an enormous number of followers and a lot of attention. 824 00:39:48,220 --> 00:39:50,220 I'm not agreeing. 825 00:39:50,220 --> 00:39:53,220 That is not a permanent solution. 826 00:39:53,220 --> 00:39:58,220 If you give miracles, I'm a bigger man, but what about you? 827 00:39:58,220 --> 00:40:01,220 That is only two minutes only satisfaction. 828 00:40:01,220 --> 00:40:04,220 So, I believe, Mickey is changing, I believe. 829 00:40:04,220 --> 00:40:07,220 That is a big miracle. That is a permanent solution. 830 00:40:07,220 --> 00:40:10,220 Mike said you enjoyed a magic show in Las Vegas. 831 00:40:10,220 --> 00:40:13,220 Magic? Yes, magic is very good. 832 00:40:13,220 --> 00:40:14,220 Who was it? 833 00:40:14,220 --> 00:40:16,220 David Copperfield. 834 00:40:16,220 --> 00:40:17,220 David Copperfield. 835 00:40:17,220 --> 00:40:18,220 David Copperfield, yes. 836 00:40:18,220 --> 00:40:19,220 It's good. 837 00:40:19,220 --> 00:40:21,220 A few minutes I'm very happy. 838 00:40:21,220 --> 00:40:25,220 I want to see, but that magic in my magic is very different. 839 00:40:25,220 --> 00:40:27,220 Spiritually they are not following. 840 00:40:27,220 --> 00:40:33,220 Well, it gives a question, but then why materialize anything? 841 00:40:33,220 --> 00:40:37,220 Why you are asking always, Swami Ji like a magician. 842 00:40:37,220 --> 00:40:38,220 Magician. 843 00:40:38,220 --> 00:40:39,220 Magician. 844 00:40:39,220 --> 00:40:44,220 Of course, I'm a magician also there, but I'm not a magician. 845 00:40:44,220 --> 00:40:48,220 After that, Swami Ji friendship was so many thousands of people, they're changing. 846 00:40:48,220 --> 00:40:52,220 Why not you think that is a good miracle, big miracle? 847 00:40:52,220 --> 00:40:56,220 What is your opinion? 848 00:40:56,220 --> 00:40:59,220 That's not the proper focus. That's not the point. 849 00:40:59,220 --> 00:41:05,220 The bigger picture is Swami Ji helping humanity in many, many ways. 850 00:41:05,220 --> 00:41:08,220 Thank you. Thank you very much. 851 00:41:08,220 --> 00:41:11,220 Thank you, Lord. 852 00:41:11,220 --> 00:41:15,220 Swami Ji given spiritual name after 70 years. 853 00:41:15,220 --> 00:41:19,220 Your name is Manu. The great scientist Manu. 854 00:41:19,220 --> 00:41:22,220 Did that seem to go okay? 855 00:41:22,220 --> 00:41:27,220 Yeah, it was a very interesting audience with him. 856 00:41:27,220 --> 00:41:29,220 Then you got a new name, big day for you. 857 00:41:29,220 --> 00:41:33,220 Yeah, it's something that people do at some point here. 858 00:41:33,220 --> 00:41:34,220 What was it? 859 00:41:34,220 --> 00:41:35,220 It's Manu. 860 00:41:35,220 --> 00:41:37,220 Excellent. 861 00:41:40,220 --> 00:41:42,220 How was the interview? 862 00:41:42,220 --> 00:41:49,220 I think he's a terrific, nice guy and probably an excellent teacher, but not superhuman. 863 00:41:49,220 --> 00:41:52,220 That's your opinion. 864 00:41:52,220 --> 00:41:57,220 I knew that he would downplay the miracles. 865 00:41:57,220 --> 00:42:01,220 Anything that would be sort of sensational to a Western audience. 866 00:42:01,220 --> 00:42:06,220 It's real, but it's incidental. It's incidental to his work. 867 00:42:06,220 --> 00:42:09,220 Maybe mistaken, but when you were in there and he gave you the new name, 868 00:42:09,220 --> 00:42:11,220 what's your name? 869 00:42:11,220 --> 00:42:18,220 To me, it's a very endearing experience to be around Swami Ji. 870 00:42:18,220 --> 00:42:24,220 In fact, I've sacrificed some of my objectivity, but after a lot of consideration. 871 00:42:24,220 --> 00:42:27,220 You don't really believe in the materializations, do you? 872 00:42:27,220 --> 00:42:29,220 I mean, rarely. 873 00:42:29,220 --> 00:42:32,220 I very rarely do, yes. 874 00:42:32,220 --> 00:42:35,220 It's because I've seen him hundreds of times. 875 00:42:35,220 --> 00:42:42,220 And it turns out that mastery of yoga allows mastery over the physical world, 876 00:42:42,220 --> 00:42:47,220 beyond being able to jump in a car and drive away. 877 00:42:47,220 --> 00:42:50,220 I'll take it then. 878 00:42:50,220 --> 00:42:52,220 Hey, thanks a lot. Good luck, Mike. 879 00:42:52,220 --> 00:42:53,220 Thanks a lot. 880 00:42:53,220 --> 00:42:54,220 Manu, whichever your name is. 881 00:42:54,220 --> 00:42:55,220 Yes, that's right. 882 00:42:55,220 --> 00:42:56,220 Thanks, I'll see you later. 883 00:42:56,220 --> 00:43:00,220 As Mike headed back to California to explain to the guys in the physics lab 884 00:43:00,220 --> 00:43:07,220 that they could now call him Manu, it was time for me to get on the road as well. 885 00:43:11,220 --> 00:43:15,220 I had an appointment to be hugged and I intended to keep it. 886 00:43:15,220 --> 00:43:17,220 And here's a hug, Ramam. 887 00:43:17,220 --> 00:43:18,220 A hug, Ramam. 888 00:43:18,220 --> 00:43:19,220 A hug, Ramam, yes. 889 00:43:19,220 --> 00:43:21,220 Yes, yes, you can hug one, you can hug. 890 00:43:23,220 --> 00:43:28,220 I returned to Amar still unconvinced by the whole idea of worshiping anyone still living. 891 00:43:28,220 --> 00:43:34,220 But the crowds and all the merchandise suggested that not everyone felt the same. 892 00:43:34,220 --> 00:43:39,220 To worship someone who's still alive, to my mind, is odd. 893 00:43:39,220 --> 00:43:42,220 Well, what about for your heart rather than your mind? 894 00:43:42,220 --> 00:43:43,220 Well, I've never done it. 895 00:43:43,220 --> 00:43:45,220 I can't imagine worshiping a human being. 896 00:43:45,220 --> 00:43:48,220 It would be like saying, you know, you're a million times better than I am. 897 00:43:48,220 --> 00:43:50,220 I wouldn't like to believe that of anyone. 898 00:43:50,220 --> 00:43:55,220 But part of the understanding is that she's within you and she's in your own heart. 899 00:43:55,220 --> 00:43:56,220 Yeah. 900 00:43:56,220 --> 00:43:58,220 So there's not such a separation between you. 901 00:43:58,220 --> 00:44:00,220 She's a human being though, right? 902 00:44:01,220 --> 00:44:05,220 That's a good question. 903 00:44:06,220 --> 00:44:11,220 The time was approaching. 904 00:44:11,220 --> 00:44:13,220 Amar had arrived. 905 00:44:13,220 --> 00:44:17,220 Pretty soon I would know for myself if the hug was like one from my own mother, 906 00:44:17,220 --> 00:44:21,220 or from a spiritual leader, or even from God. 907 00:44:27,220 --> 00:44:30,220 In the midst of the devotees and the sacred ritual, 908 00:44:30,220 --> 00:44:34,220 I still managed to hook up with my old friend, Ramana. 909 00:44:36,220 --> 00:44:41,220 And then the hugging began. 910 00:44:41,220 --> 00:44:43,220 For some reason I'm being quite stressed out. 911 00:44:43,220 --> 00:44:45,220 Do you think that's part of like the... 912 00:44:45,220 --> 00:44:49,220 It's often people's reaction. 913 00:44:49,220 --> 00:44:53,220 As you approach Amar, it's sort of like you're coming into her force field. 914 00:44:53,220 --> 00:44:56,220 All sorts of emotions and feelings and thoughts will arise. 915 00:44:56,220 --> 00:44:58,220 Everyone's experience is different. 916 00:44:58,220 --> 00:45:02,220 But you get a taste of enlightenment actually through that hug. 917 00:45:05,220 --> 00:45:08,220 We met that gentleman before, the yellow scarf. 918 00:45:08,220 --> 00:45:10,220 Ah yes, Anirudha. 919 00:45:10,220 --> 00:45:12,220 He's pretty intense. 920 00:45:12,220 --> 00:45:14,220 And you noticed? 921 00:45:14,220 --> 00:45:16,220 Very, yeah. 922 00:45:17,220 --> 00:45:21,220 I had time for one last piece of advice from Courtney. 923 00:45:21,220 --> 00:45:24,220 You could write a doctoral thesis on chocolate. 924 00:45:24,220 --> 00:45:28,220 You know, you could read books and books about the taste of chocolate. 925 00:45:28,220 --> 00:45:31,220 But unless you experience the taste of chocolate, 926 00:45:31,220 --> 00:45:36,220 all the books in the world will never tell you what the experience of it's like. 927 00:45:36,220 --> 00:45:42,220 So, I'm sure she'll do some work on you. 928 00:45:42,220 --> 00:45:44,220 Oh, see. Thanks a lot. 929 00:45:51,220 --> 00:45:56,220 A Deham BBC Television, England ill with Mindawaddo. 930 00:46:02,220 --> 00:46:05,220 I don't know if it was the incense or the music, 931 00:46:05,220 --> 00:46:07,220 or maybe the crush of the crowd, 932 00:46:07,220 --> 00:46:10,220 but something very odd happened. 933 00:46:16,220 --> 00:46:18,220 Right where he is. 934 00:46:24,220 --> 00:46:27,220 For the first time in my whole trip, 935 00:46:27,220 --> 00:46:31,220 I felt like something had touched me in a way I couldn't explain. 936 00:46:41,220 --> 00:46:43,220 That was really good. 937 00:46:43,220 --> 00:46:45,220 Yeah? 938 00:46:45,220 --> 00:46:47,220 What did you feel? 939 00:46:47,220 --> 00:46:49,220 It was very comforting, you know. 940 00:46:49,220 --> 00:46:51,220 Hmm, looks good. 941 00:46:51,220 --> 00:46:53,220 And she gave me a little kiss on the cheek. 942 00:46:53,220 --> 00:46:55,220 That was really nice. 943 00:46:55,220 --> 00:46:58,220 I did feel like for a second I wanted to cry. 944 00:46:58,220 --> 00:47:04,220 But I don't know if that was because it was just a really nice hug. 945 00:47:04,220 --> 00:47:06,220 Do you know what I mean? 946 00:47:06,220 --> 00:47:09,220 Many, many, many people burst into tears when they... 947 00:47:09,220 --> 00:47:11,220 and they can't explain why. 948 00:47:15,220 --> 00:47:19,220 Whatever was going on, all over India I'd seen westerners 949 00:47:19,220 --> 00:47:24,220 who'd surrendered themselves to gurus in the hope of finding something they needed. 950 00:47:24,220 --> 00:47:26,220 And I had fallen under the spell. 951 00:47:26,220 --> 00:47:28,220 Final words of advice? 952 00:47:28,220 --> 00:47:30,220 Don't let this be the end. 953 00:47:30,220 --> 00:47:32,220 Let this be a beginning for you. 954 00:47:32,220 --> 00:47:34,220 There's a great, wonderful world within. 955 00:47:34,220 --> 00:47:37,220 So, find it. 956 00:47:37,220 --> 00:47:40,220 I would start looking immediately. 957 00:47:40,220 --> 00:47:42,220 Immediately I got home. 958 00:47:45,220 --> 00:47:47,220 Would it be alright if I played a short song? 959 00:47:47,220 --> 00:47:49,220 Sure. 960 00:47:49,220 --> 00:48:19,220 Come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on 961 00:48:19,220 --> 00:48:23,220 Thank you. 962 00:48:23,220 --> 00:48:29,220 Quite a strain performing in front of people.